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- From: kjgudim (Kjell Gudim)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
- Subject: Re: Why are europeans dumb enough to buy amigas?
- Date: 20 Mar 1996 23:29:36 +0100
- Organization: SN Internett
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- Mr. Pink wrote this in comp.sys.amiga.graphics:
-
- >> A little while ago my father bought a Pentium 60 and was told that this
- >> was an awesome machine... Now the machine is about as awesome as my 6 speed
- >> bike
- >> :)
- >>
- >Heh! Precisely. This can be linked to the Amiga (hello mr Amiga hating type
- >person
- >;).... How many models of PC came and went in the lifetime of the 500 (which
- >we happen to have two of which at home, aswell as my 4k....)
-
- Quite a number... :) I'm actually sorry that I sold my old 500. But I still
- have my C64! :)
-
- >As for the argument of the Amiga being a heap of @#*^, especially when it
- >comes to DOOM clones etc etc, lets just ask ourselves a few questions.
- >Where did other games classics such as Lemmings, Populous etc Originate?
-
- Hm... Gee, I give up... :)
-
- >The amiga wasn't it?
-
- >Well **** me sideways, so it was...
-
- Oh yeah! That's right! Remarkable isn't it?
-
- >and the PC
- >conversions just couldnt do the gfx and sfx justice even then. (We won't
- >mention the megadrive versions
- >- wot no mouse????!!! ;)
-
- :)
-
-
- >On a more serious level, lets go back a few years (bizarre Waynes world
- >swirly effect thing....)
-
- xtreeeeme close up!!!
-
- >my 386 include a SoundCard / Chip? PCS: No, Sorry. Me: The Amigas custom
- >architecture does, doesn't it? PCS: Yes.
- >(well, you get the idea....)
- >Now, in that little 'conversation', I mentioned that dirty word to PC owners
- >- multitasking. Could I just take this opportunity to congratulate them on
- >the arrival of Win 95. (Ignoring OS2 - it just doesnt seem to have been given
- >the support it deserved)......
-
- How could it? The lord and emperor Gates didn't support it :)
-
- >"Windows 95 will make it possible for you to do what you do faster, and more
- >fun" It says (or something like it) at the start of the installation. More
- >fun? Please! .... Can you imagine sitting at work with your boss behind you
- >as you explain the Pros of Win 95 - "its plug and play, making things more
- >fun, and games are quicker too...." He's sure to be impressed. Anyway, back
- >to the point.
-
- :)
-
- >Windows 95 multitasks. Sort of. It timeslices in much the same way as the
- >Amiga has for the past 8 years or so.
-
- *When* you run 32 bit programs...
-
- >Win 95 system requirements: at least a 486sx 33 (?) (DX2 66+ recommended),
- >with 4mb ram
- >(8mb+ recommended), and 50mbHD space (?).
-
- I've run Win95 on 486 DX 33 with 8 Mb RAM... It was hell on earth!
-
- >Amiga workbench requirements: An amiga.
-
- Yepp. Amiga 1200, 2 Mb RAM, 80 Mb HD.
-
- >So, you buy your 486sx33 4mb PC for about the same price as an A1200. Your
- >A1200 is all set to go, Everything is on its (admittedly small) HD. Your PC
- >sits their waiting for you to go out and buy Win 95. Another 80 quid or so.
- >Yay, we are multitasking. Not as quickly as the A1200 tho. Oh well, lets buy
- >some more RAM. Apparently that makes it faster. Cool, another 100 quid spent.
- >Things have improved, but not by much. Lets see what we can do. A new
- >processsor you say? Ooooh, lets go pentium. P60 good enough? yeah! .......
-
- Oh dear. Have we spent a little sum of dosh, eh?
-
- >Oh the subject of Win 95, a couple of points. Plug and Play. HAven't amigas
- >had basically the same thing for years?
-
- Sence the arrivel of Zorro we have had full Plug and Play.
- And the Plug and Play on the PC's are more of a Plug and Pray if you ask me :)
-
- >Take the example:
- >I put a second HD in my machine. Plug in, switch on. Machine sits there. For
- >a whole 5 seconds. Boots, and I go to partition the new drive, at which point
- >it tells me 'drives have been added / removed from the system' etc. Ok, so it
- >wasnt sure if something had been added or removed. Win 95's plug and play
- >requires that you specifically specify the new device, or let it spend 20
- >mins or so looking for it (which a m8 of mine did.... it couldnt find his new
- >HD......)
-
- :) Cool. As I said above...
-
- >working my ass off' Does it amuse you at all that while it is booting, it is
- >totally free to work, until anything useful like the start button appears, at
- >which point it switches to totally busy? :)
-
- Well, when I used it it was almost busy all the time.. :)
-
- >I think by now my point is clear. The PC is a better machine than the Amiga.
- >I have no doubt about it, despite being proud of my A4K 030. Its just a shame
- >that PC owners a) refuse to admit that what 95 does, the Amiga has done for
- >years, a whole lot better, at a fraction of the requirements / cost. b) Ok
- >DOOM was, and still is bloody brilliant (despite me being crap at it!). Part
- >of DOOM's success was it being released as PD. People love saving money dont
- >ya know.
-
- Yes. The PC(The machine you sit and watch) is good enough.
- *BUT* ,the operatingsystem stinks! No questions asked.
-
- But kind of heaven is a PC(or RISC) machine with a highly developed
- Workbench 4.0 running it. ahhh.....
-
- >prepared to fork out several hundred pounds for a single database. For
- >several hundred pounds Amiga owners get no end of packages. Ok, they arent as
- >good, but they do their job. Very few Amiga titles cost over 100 pounds. Very
- >few PC titles cost less than 100 pounds! (Not talking games here)
-
- :) Just take Wordworth as an example. It cost $100 and is in my opinion just
- as good or better than word. I haven't got the exact price on Word, *but* I do
- believe that it costs a *little* more than $100... :)
-
- >The Amiga CD ROM scene is still quite new. Their is no argument to be made
- >here - we will just have to see if it gets the support it deserves / needs.
- >All I'll say on that little matter is that on the off chance that there is
- >some rep of an Amiga softy house out there - remember, its not just CD32
- >owners that can play games on CD now...
-
- Right. Maybe we should set the minimummachine on all games to the following :
-
- A4000/040
- 10 Mb RAM
- CDROM 2x
- gfx card (2 Mb or more)
- sfx card (16 bit)
-
- I wonder what kind of games would apear then... :)
-
-
- >There. On that note, I'll finish, before I stray from the point even more.
- >But Kjell Gudim is right. PC technology moves on sooooo fast.
-
- Thank you :)
-
- >My M8s P60 is out of date now too - before the warranty has even expired! But
- >my A4000/030>is still keeping up, despite being almost 3 years old.
-
- Yep! So does mine and I'll keep it a few more years, thank you.
-
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